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Prince's legal name Prince Roger Nelson ?

Started by Kylie, September 02, 2016, 04:29:15 AM

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Julles83

Thank you!
I hadn't seen anything else about it (new) and wanted to make sure I hadn't missed anything.
You're right, it's like he just disappeared.

MIRvmn

Yes he just vanished, there is no evidence of Prince being legally dead. But he has definetly changed his identity so the only thing that died is the name Prince Roger(s) Nelson
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight

Rainbowblue

What do you all think about filing paperwork to ask for a copy of the official certified death certificate (if one exists) to put this portion of the issue to rest. So we will know does an actual death certificate exist on file for Prince.
What do you guys think?

Do you all want to move forward on this or leave it with the info the Prince estate has provided for the public?
He disappeared and we are left with several conflicting convoluted explanations for his "death". But no one has seen his corpse, a death certificate or and autopsy report. Just informational tweets and press releases.
Does anyone want to patition the court and estate and see... How far the rabbit hole goes?

Thoughts?
Action plans?
Vague notions?
Anyone?

Luna

The idea is good but it's not easy you need more hulp and support. They  well not tell you more than you can read and see on Tv .they closed every doors de ways aren't open. I don't think that we can know any thing more than these clues. She  said exactly she doesn't miss anything he is with her they doing good job and business you see they don't want us know anything

Rainbowblue

Quote from: Luna on November 14, 2016, 07:56:33 AM
The idea is good but it's not easy you need more hulp and support. They  well not tell you more than you can read and see on Tv .they closed every doors de ways aren't open. I don't think that we can know any thing more than these clues. She  said exactly she doesn't miss anything he is with her they doing good job and business you see they don't want us know anything

Thanks for responding Luna
You do not have to go to law school to file this kind of paperwork. The death certificate is not covered under the privacy portion of that law just the autopsy report and death investigation. A death certificate is public. Anyone can request it. How to file the paper work is found in the comments. The law library is free and open to the public. Still filing this would require some effort. The people who got Michael Jackson's "death hoax" investigation going, filed paperwork, made requests, and put in a little effort to get their questions anwered. Just by suppoting one another and the investigation. Besides it would be interesting to see what Tyka and the Estate's response would be. If you file the correct paper work they have to respond...by law

How they respond will still say a lot.

I can take out time and go to the law library, write it in the correct format, etc if someone would like to file it on our behalf. I'm sure Prince has a few lawyers who are fans of his who are questioning his death and if you'd all like someone, can find a lawyer on a Prince fan site to take a look at everything.

But is this a "Good" action to take?
Does this "support" the death hoax investigation?
How would Prince feel? Would Prince be okay if we asked? Would he be insulted if we didn't ask?
If I do all the leg work would someone volunteer to file it on behalf of the "Death Hoax Investigators?"
Is it "right"?
Would we be exposing him to danger in asking?

They give an uncertified death certificate just after a death occurs... He's been gone for months the State should have a copy of the certified death certificate by now.

What do all think?




Luna

Rainbowblue . I wish if I can help you   but the things here much harder 't because I'm form Glasgow Scotland. But I'm certain that if you do we make Prince more angry and  we bring him this time in more difficult situation now  he has too much to do with all business  and all these wolves around him. One thing I'm really believe that his vanishing on earth is  just drama nobody believed in .My opinion don't do It  for prince's safety and I'm worry that they  close this link .And ask the others may be they have another idea thank 2 you you're clever worker.

Julles83

I say,  don't do it. It's very clear that he does not want to be found. Whatever happened on that day we may never know the exact truth 2. Whatever it was though is something that they are working to keep a secret. I sure wouldn't want him to be put in any danger because of a name on a document. I feel like there was a reason for him to just disappear.
He's definitely leaving us plenty of Clues. He knew that his fan base would not believe anything that the media said and that we would look into things ourselves.

Kylie

#52
I am in two minds with this. This post actually comes in good timing. I've been wondering myself lately whether all our investigating into a possible hoax is a good thing or not.
If there is a real life or death reason that Prince faked his death then I'd hate to possibly put his life in jeopardy by requesting a death certificate that may not exist.

If Prince faked his death as a retirement then is it really our business to call him out on it ? Perhaps we should just let him be.

But sometimes I think this could be a kind of test too to see how many just blindly believe the media when things so obviously dont make sense. Or even as a test to those so called friends of his who couldn't wait to make hay while the sun shines in the wake of his death, who would sell him out, write books etc.... In this case requesting the real certificate would be interesting to see what the estate comes up with.

But on the other hand if he really has passed then requesting the real death certificate would be proof that this is not a hoax after all.

I'd like to see the actual autopsy report more than the death certificate but I know there no chance of that!



Julles83

#53
I agree with you completely there are times there are times when I wonder if questioning it is a good idea. If this is definitely a hoax then I sure don't want to uncover anything and put him in danger. I feel like that's part of this could be a test just to see who believes everything that they see and read. He is extremely clever like that so if anyone could get away with this it would be him. There are always loopholes in the legal system and he is smart enough to be able to figure out what they were and how to get through them.

MIRvmn

Yes it could be some kind of test and sadly we can see how lots of long time fans are buying this drug story which makes no sense. I read everywhere how fan feels like something ain't right with the story but they chose to belive it rater then questioning his death, cuz they don't think could do this to his fans. But its his life, he has the right to do whatever he wants and if this was his way to retire then we have to respect that. For whatever reasons he chose to retire this way but I still can't make up my mind if his life was in danger, health problems or he just wanted to step away from the spotlight cuz he "has done everyhting he came to do" as Tyka said. With time we will find out more but unfortunately not the whole truth. 
I don't think he want to be exposed for faking his death and I don't think we would succeed to reveal him if chose go down that road and take the investigation furter by requesting the real certificate cuz I'm sure Prince has everything covered. Should we request it or not? I don't know but theres a possibilty someone else who has doubt about his death will do it anyway but I think ur guys are right, maybe we should let him be and continue to work with the clues (cuz they seems to pop up every month) and It's sure very interesting.
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight

Rainbowblue

Quote from: Rainbowblue on November 09, 2016, 10:10:44 AM
P.s
Can everyone please respect Prince's privacy and not contest his death certificate
P.p.s
(Tyka or Prince if anyone petitions to contest the death certificate asking for a true and correct copy just deny the request and cite the privacy law.)

Such a sad election day, for the U.S of A

It goes back to what MIRvmn said if he is really in danger why does Prince leave so many clues?

I felt kinda guilty because I have prior experience with research. I know how to research as well as file court documents. Yet I hadn't offered.

Before I noticed the name was off I noticed this "Death Certificate" provided to the press wasn't a legal document. It wasn't a death certificate. If you ever have to sign for death documents you remember some of the process.

Dealt with Death, courts etc.

Before I noticed all the documents were off, I noticed it had been 12+ hours after Prince was announced dead still no body was being removed from the scene.

On the day Prince died I googled "Is Prince's Death a Hoax". There were also Google reports of his death happening several days prior. Why? What happened to those?

Initially most of the people questioning if Prince's Death was a hoax were people who didn't like him or his work. They accused him of being an Illuminati, Mind Controlled, Satan worshiping, Record Company owned Puppet, even going as far as saying he was a character and never an actual person. A lot of hate and confusion dominated the conversation of whether Prince opted out via a Death Hoax or not. It is good to see people who enjoyed Prince while he was alive on this site.

Personally I'm not smarter than anyone else, not more knowledgeable, nor have I done more research. My mind makes connections, I just observe things and type in the keywords for Google search.

With the Michael Jackson Death Hoax people really do a lot of research and work. I respect and appreciate that. MJ was definitely being threatened for years and actions were taken against him, he said so himself. Still people look into his "death". Most without infringing on his privacy. Though some can be a little too much.

Google search "Michael Jackson Sony trying to kill me"

Perhaps believing Michael and Prince faked their deaths is just wishful thinking. In the case of MJ we were shown a corpse that was most likely a life cast, because there are multiples copies of it. Watch "Michael Jackson Fake Body Pics" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/z9RqyJnZke8
We also learned how easily a death can be faked, even a celebrity's. If Michael was truly afraid of the threats of men, why did he and his family leave so many clues after his death?

According to the Jacksons Prince spent time with and prayed with them at Kingdom Hall after his conversion. Particularly Michael's Mother apparently. Was Prince also looking into how to fake one's death at that time?
"La Toya Jackson remembers 'wonderful' family friend Prince"
http://www.tv3.ie/xpose/article/entertainment-news/200352/La-Toya-Jackson-remembers-wonderful-family-friend-Prince

If you guys get the time please look into the Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigation. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/home/ The people from that site created the forum for THIS site. They are our hosts. There are lots videos, sites and research on Michael Jackson hoaxing his death. Check em out when you have some free time if your interested. After all the research into a hoax for MJ his family and representatives still put out clues to this day. So if research and exposure on a site made the hoaxer unsafe or hurts the reputation why not MJ?

Michael Jackson's possible death hoax was discussed on National News Networks. From CNN Americas trusted News network
"Michael Jackson hoax was 'experiment,' broadcaster says"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/31/michael.jackson.hoax/
CNN again
"Paramedic: Alleged Michael Jackson ambulance tape is a hoax"
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/24/michael.jackson.tape/

With a possible death hoax being well known and publicized in major news media Michael Jackson still broke records selling music and films after his death. No matter how much evidence and exposure is given to a death hoax happening most people will never believe it.
"Michael Jackson not dead? Twitter account comes alive during 2016 Kobe game"
http://touch.metro.us//new-york/michael-jackson-not-dead-twitter-account-comes-alive-during-2016-kobe-game/zsJpdn---eQ5fGJKRfRg6/

Michael Jackson returns from the dead to tweet about the death of Prince?
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaeljackson/status/723243167370326021

"Watch "Michael Jackson is Alive- Death Hoax - Teddy Riley Akon And More" on YouTube" https://youtu.be/EPOVpqXBpWw

Research into hoaxes seems to bring more publicity and attention. More ticket and album sales more admiration.

I have been following this site Prince Death Hoax Investigators since April 21st or 22nd when it was a topic/thread on the Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators Site. It came up on my Google search. I really appreciate you guys for making this site for us.

Discussing unfounded conspiracy theories is interesting it's cool but documents and facts hold up better over time.

A Death Certificate is a public record it's not Private.

Michael Jackson has a death certificate although technically it is not valid there is one on file.
Is there a Death Certificate for Prince?
Simple question that can be answered quite simply.

Well I offered.


Kylie

#57
I was a member of the original MJHDI forum. I remember all this information at the time. I believe it was him as Dave Dave on the Larry King show too.

As I said I'm in two minds about it. It would be good to have a definite answer one way or another and I thank you for offering to do the groundwork, Rainbowblue.
ETA
I have not seen those tweets before from Joe and Paris Jackson. Very supportive of the hoax theory. Thanks for sharing.

And yes MIRvmn is right. If Prince didn't want to be found, why is he leaving so many clues. I didn't really think of it like that.
Maybe we should request the real death certificate out of curiosity. 
I don't know. I don't want to do the wrong thing by Prince is all.





MIRvmn

Yes if he really was in danger then I don't think he would leave so many clues to let ppl know that hes still alive, I think its possible that this is his way to retire and he gets more attention as "dead"  which is good for record sales and the pp museum and he got plenty of new fans as well.

I remember I saw that video with MJ as Dave Dave at Larry Kings a few years ago, I had check it out again. I think its possible that its MJ cuz the real Dave Dave is very different (his voice etc). Maybe Prince was inspired by MJ when he faked his death and got some advice from him.
Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight