Quote from: medea on August 23, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/3121#section=Top
Pay atention to number.
I suspect he never get rid from epilepsy.

Good find!
That compound is also found in the toxicology report, a mystery "source" says right.
compound/3121.

the double meanings and repeated themes and number s

<3

"Disinformation is a type of untrue communication that is purposefully spread and represented as truth to elicit some response that serves the perpetrator's purpose.

Disinformation is sometimes confused with misinformation but the two are distinguished by their intention. The purpose of disinformation is to deceive. Although misinformation is also false, it is  presented as truth only because the communicator does not have the facts straight."
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Full Definition ofdisinformation
:  false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth
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"The goal was not to destroy the truth, but to hide it in plain sight.

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You say
"drug addict",
I say
"drug accident"

You say
"Drug O.D"
I say
"Epilepsy"

Like one energy system is playing offense and the other is playing defense. But who is who? What's what? The game of disinformation

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A lot of people don't buy the drug O.D story so someone puts out a "new" story. Then another and another til...

Quote from: Alexa de Paris on August 24, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
I dont think this is likely mostly because I have looked at several sites for warning signs and symptoms of seizure, and none of them describe what he alleged to have gone through on the plane.  She said his "eyes just fixed" and then he just blanked out" what does that even mean? he sat there like a mannequine with his eyes open? or did he pass out? secondly,  it has been shown that there is no record nor any official admitting that he ever was in the hospital. If he had become unconcious, and it was suspected that he had OD the hospital would have never let him leave several hours later- he was treated for dehydration- i found this in two different sources soon after it happened and it would make much better sense since he was fighting the flu. And if it had been dehydration the hospital wouldve let him leave. The whole scene that Judith described was hogwash.  That broad was lying...and she isnt even a good liar!

lol!!!
When I read Judith Hill's article I was like who wrote this?

Yeah her article sounds kinda like one of those sci-fi channel reenactments.

Hey can you please post your sources. I feel we gotta exhaust every possible avenue or theory (that we have a the attention span for).

If Prince was on a plane with Judith Hill why did she wait until an interview to say so? No Facebook posts?

Yep the hospital said he was never admitted there. So is she saying he went and didn't sign in. Somehow corroborating the TMZ hospital stay?

Disinformation is false information intentionally put out to confuse or hide the truth.

If her story is disinformation, it seems that they are providing yet another theory to confuse everyone.

Plus in another article the mysterious "sources" list the epilepsy seizure control meds on toxicology report (is that private too?).

Epilepsy is a condition he said he had as a child. He also said he had a prolonged flu.

A seizure is more believable to many than an overdose. So is an accident. Seizure also sounds a lot nicer.

From overdose to accidental overdose the media and "sources" feed us lies, twists and offshoots.

Disinformation is meant to confuse. Obscure the truth.

This is a few "fams" on the Prince.org talking about Price and a possible epileptic seizure on the plane.

Hmmm let's investigate.

"Yes, altitude can affect some who have epilepsy or are prone to seizures....But the weird thing is he flew all the time. However, that is what sucks about it...IT just comes when you least expect it, even if dormant. As a young child my child had those 'fixated eyes' staring off (the are called complex partial seizures if you want to google them)..oddly enough...one of the 'triggers' used to be....SWINGS. Some people laugh with seiziures, some have nausea of vomit, etc as a seizure. Every person is totally different, not just what you see on tv.

>>Breathing drops during a seizure and heartrate changes during one. You can ask me anything, or PM if you want to know anything. I rememver when he first said he had it as a kid, that maybe some more exposure hence research/cures would be on the increase...There is so much they don't know about it.

>>

And I would say, my opinion, that some who have seizures are more sensitive to alot or things, noises, etc than others who don't have it..

>>

We know he had some type of drug is his body, maybe he was sick, maybe his epilepsy returned, maybe it was a combo of all... It sucks totally.

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

yzarcog99 said:

Amen...I have had a seizure that put me straight down, out like a light, as an adult. Completely out of nowhere. I do have to say that I don't recall hearing anyone or anything going on around me. Don't even remember it all, honestly. But everyone's experience is different and people can die from a seizure. It is a disruption of your bodies electrical system. Your heart can stop. That's why the "7" video always freaked me out a little--like going down in a seizure!

thank you for your insights here. have they mentioned anywhere what his breathing and heartbeat were like, aside from him being unresponsive?

sorry this is way out there, but i wonder if the being in the plane had anything at all to do with.... anything... and what the weather was like, would be so weird if it were connected to his unique sensitivity to some solar storm or something.

"

http://prince.org/msg/7/428236?&pg=21

Right!?
It's like some team of people are reading everyone's criticisms and questions and adding more dog poop to the pile to try and answer it.

Like they didn't have time to get their stories straight so they are just winging it! Trying to fill in the holes in the logic with more B.S.

Perhaps we are witnessing a disinformation war.

Did Prince have an epileptic seizure on the plane rather than a drug overdose?

Did Prince's epileptic seizures return?
Could that be a reason to fake his death? To take care of his health.

In this article Judith Hill never said Prince was treated for an overdose at the hospital in Moline Illinois nor was treated for anything. Just being monitored or watched until morning.

Article excerpt:

I Was on That Fateful Flight With Prince: A Protégée Tells Her Story

"His eyes fixed," just before he nodded off across a table from her, Ms. Hill, 32, recalled in an interview here, speaking for the first time about her presence on the April 15 flight from Atlanta, after Prince's two shows there.

Ms. Hill witnessed Prince fall unconscious. "Thankfully, I happened to be looking into his face," she said.

Video Security footage from the airport in Moline, Ill., shows an ambulance stationed on the tarmac to treat Prince after his plane made an emergency landing on April 15.

By the time they arrived, (the ambulance?) he was awake and talking, Ms. Hill said, "which was such a relief to me, because I thought he was gone." She had never seen anything like that happen to him and had no idea what caused his condition.

"I only know what everyone knows about his pain — I read about it," she said. In person, "he was quick on his feet. Never said anything, that this is hurting, never a sign of struggle. That's why it's all very shocking."

Prince had a reputation for clean living, largely followed a vegan diet and frowned on musicians who worked with him using any recreational drugs. But other friends have acknowledged that Prince apparently became dependent on painkillers.

Ms. Hill did not want to discuss the details of Prince's medical treatment in Moline. He wanted to leave the hospital, but at the urging of his companions, he remained there until morning.

"He wasn't dreary or drowsy, or anything," she said. The mood was peaceful, and Prince seemed like his old self.

"He was very cooperative that whole night," she said, "serious about getting help." By 10:57 that same morning, the ordeal was over, and the plane took off for Paisley Park once again. Ms. Hill returned to Los Angeles soon after.

Still, Prince initially played down the hospital incident to his camp, Ms. Hill said. Prince also came around to the notion that he needed help. As he'd promised Ms. Hill, he began taking steps to heal himself. He underwent tests administered by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, a local physician he had seen earlier.

"He did it because he was concerned, and he wanted to do the right thing for his own body," Ms. Hill said.

Dr. Schulenberg arrived at Paisley Park with the results of some tests, officials have said, just after Prince had been declared dead.

In the hospital, he said, "It's only by God's grace that I'm even here," she recalled.

He told her: "'I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, 'Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.' And he said it was the hardest thing he'd ever done, to get back into his body like that."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/arts/music/prince-death-judith-hill-plane.html?_r=0

Dr. Drew said Judith Hill's account of what happened on the plane sounded more like a seizure than an overdose.

6/22/16

Dr. Drew Pinsky: "To have somebody, their eyes freeze and their sensorium altered before they become unconscious, that is very peculiar. That is not the typical reaction to opiates and opioids. 

It makes me wonder if he also had some sort of seizure phenomenon, and that could be related to the God knows what are the medication he was taking.

Again, we only know about the fentanyl, but they do not give us the report of the other toxicologies. They do not do that in Minnesota, apparently. 

But please keep an eye on that, because that is not somebody just passing out from opioid use."

HOLT: "And I feel like you have been saying that from the beginning. You are always saying there must be something else."

Dr. Drew PINSKY: "Something else."

HOLT: "Yes".

Dr. Drew PINSKY: "That is what is called a partial complex seizure. And why he would have that, that is separate from opioids and opiates. But thanks,"http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1606/22/ddhln.01.html

One of the meds in Prince's blood stream treats epileptic seizures.

"The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, etc in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child."
http://www.kctv5.com/story/32807229/correction-prince-death-story

Airplane travel among other things is said to bring on epileptic seizures.
flying with epilepsy | Epilepsy Foundation

http://www.epilepsy.com/connect/forums/living-epilepsy-adults/flying-epilepsy

Did Prince's epileptic seizures return?
Could that be a reason to fake his death? To take care of his health.

I think it is possible.

Yeah,
It's sad to see. The Drug OD "hoax" is definitely affecting his legacy negatively. Some mysterious unnamed "source" in Minneapolis aparrently is promoting the concept of the an accidental overdose. That he didn't know what he was taking.

The article states Fentanyl was found in a bottle labeled Hydrocodone.
Hydrocodone with Acetaminophen was supposedly found in his blood stream. Hydrocodone with Acetaminophen is a cold, flu and fever suppressant medication.

Prince was said before his "death" to be suffering from prolonged flu like symptoms.

Perhaps the Drug OD hoax wasn't his idea. If Prince faked his death and there is a lot of evidence he did, maybe he just disappeared and the media pieced together this Drug OD hoax like pieces in a puzzle made of bread crumbs.

The "I Am Transformed" post definitely is a big piece of the puzzle. As is the "just when you thought you were safe"... posts.

I Am Transformed is apparently not a direct Prince quote but a retweet he did or a share from a fans Tweet about his last show
Here:

"Dear @EBONYMag, the "I am transformed" is NOT what #Prince said! It's an RT quote. Please see my tweet about it:
https://mobile.twitter.com/serpan99/status/733162229885984769

https://mobile.twitter.com/serpan99/status/723774875001823232

"Purple Intoxication" reminds me of Prince's song "Purple Music" where he says in the lyrics he doesn't need drugs just his Purple music makes him high."Prince - Purple Music (unreleased) w/ lyrics"
https://youtu.be/UsSv7ZOWq5k

People were already saying he had an O.D on the plane from drugs on the 15th right? Perhaps one meaning is he was saying he had an overdose of his own lovely Purple Music! 

Prince loves double and triple meanings.

Did Prince have an epileptic seizure on the plane rather than a drug overdose?

I think so.

It's definitely probable

Prince revealed to Travis Smiley he had epilepsy as a child, until an 'angel' told him he wouldn't be sick anymore.

"I've never spoken about this before, but I was born epileptic,". "I used to have seizures when I was young."

"My mother told me one day I walked in to her and said 'Mom, I'm not going to be sick anymore.' And she said 'Why?' And I said 'Because an angel told me so." Prince said.

He didn't say whether he grew out of the illness or continues to live with epilepsy".
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/prince-reveals-battled-epilepsy-child-rare-interview-angel-told-article-1.365280

https://youtu.be/agD9qVUVHrI

The article states Fentanyl was found in a bottle labeled Hydrocodone.
Hydrocodone is most often found combined with Acetaminophen. Which I believe is found in medication to relieve symptoms of not only pain but cold and fever.

Prince was said before his "death" to be suffering from prolonged flu like symptoms.

Hydrocodone:"Relief of moderate to moderately-severe pain. Has been used as an antitussive (cough suppressant: an effect of the hydrocodone component) and is as effective and possibly a more potent antitussive than codeine. Hydrocodone is a centrally acting analgesic used to provide additive pain relief when non-narcotic analgesics are ineffective. Acetaminophen (abbreviated APAP) is a peripherally acting analgesic agent found in many combination products and also available by itself.

APAP is also an antipyretic (fever lowering) agent. This combination product emphasizes a commonly overlooked principal in pain management."
http://www.ems1.com/ems-products/Ambulance-Disposable-Supplies/articles/404646-Hydrocodone-APAP-Drug-Whys/

Killed by Fentanyl that was found in a bottle labeled Hydrocodone?

I've read comments on the old site and other pages stating that Prince was being poisoned.

Does the mistaking Fentanyl for Hydrocodone statement support that theory?

Or does it support the theory that he was murdered and the drugs planted around the house?

Does this support the theories he faked his death?

This story is so out of order what are logical people with questions supposed to think?

The Press have implied he was so petite because he was starving himself, a drug addict, frail, weak and or had HIV/AIDS. It has also been implied that he died due to the fentanyl dosage being too high for a person his size. However in many cultures Prince is average size for an adult male. Perhaps due to his genetics and work ethic 5" 2 and 114-112 pounds may have been his personal average.

The articles says "Dosage would have killed anyone. Officials never revealed the amount of fentanyl that was in Prince's system. But the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that a source says the amount of fentanyl in his system was so high it would have killed anyone, no matter their size."

Why the focus on dispelling rumors on his size being a contributing factor? Why not focus more on dispelling the HIV/AIDS rumor?

Prince speaking about many things including being ridiculed for being "small"  https://youtu.be/SVQr5p-D_m0

Prince shares how he got past being teased as a child
http://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article73254907.html

http://deadspin.com/prince-was-an-afro-rocking-coach-hating-high-school-ba-1689252341

Tatiana Thumbtzen on Prince:
"He started it out by saying "You know, when I was little... Well, I'm still little..." Before he could finish, I started laughing so hard. I thought I was going to bust a gut from laughing so hard. I thought it was great that he could joke and laugh at himself and make light of his small frame.

I thought it was cool for a few seconds anyway. Suddenly, I stopped laughing because of this expression on his face. There was immediate silence. He had this look on his face as to say" I can make fun of myself but you cannot."
http://prince.org/msg/7/401139

Perhaps the "source" knew Prince well or is being coached by someone on what rumors to focus on disproving.

It is logical that there is no death hoax and Prince may not behind anything. Still why all the mystery? No official death certificate, no official autopsy report just a press release. No one participated in viewing of the body. Plus a ton of misinformation and hearsay on the part of the press. What are we left to think?

The "source with knowledge of the investigation who revealed the information to the Minneapolis Star Tribune " may be simply attempting to clear the artist's name.

The Press hasn't shown the singer in his "death" in a positive light. The Media has claimed he committed suicide, was an illicit and or prescription drug addict. As well as claiming his petite size was due to his being a late stage AIDS patient. Although the press release concerning an autopsy report didn't say much it didn't "list any other cause of death or "significant condition" such as Cancer or HIV/AIDS.

Overdoses on prescriptions meds aren't usually listed as accidental. Why is his? How was death by "accidental overdose" determined. Is there no evidence of prior med use until that day? Well there is no Autopsy Report to look at just a press release that doesn't say much.

Perhaps the mysterious "source with knowledge of the investigation who revealed the information to the Minneapolis Star Tribune " wanted to give Prince the benefit of the doubt.
Causing those with curious minds already questioning the official story to look closer. Perhaps Minneapolis Star Tribune is the only press outlet willing to print that there is undisclosed evidence that their most famous native son may not have "died" in the manner the press was saying.

 

Quote from: Alexa de Paris on August 23, 2016, 12:44:40 AM
lol...it just gets better and better.

"Breaking News This just in"
Any thoughts on this one
Article excerpt: "Pills seized inside Prince's Paisley Park compound by investigators were labeled as hydrocodone but actually contained fentanyl -- the drug that killed the singer -- according to a source with knowledge of the investigation who revealed the information to theMinneapolis Star Tribune.

The revelation gives more insight into what may have caused Prince's overdose. There are two likely possibilities: Either a pharmaceutical manufacturer mislabeled the pills, or the pills were illegally manufactured and obtained illegally.

However, according to the Star Tribune, investigators are working under the theory that the pop star did not know the pills contained fentanyl. Prince died on April 21 from an accidental overdose of fentanyl, according to the Medical Examiner.

If the manufacturer mislabeled the pills, there would have likely been a recall as fentanyl is an extremely potent opioid medication and a controlled substance. It would be a serious health hazard if a batch was mislabeled and given to the public.

Fentanyl is 50 times more potent than heroin and up to 100 times more potent than morphine.

Investigators have not said whether Prince ingested those pills or whether he knew the pills contained fentanyl.

Powerful painkiller

At the beginning of the investigation into Prince's death, sources told CNN that painkillers were found inside his Paisley Park compound and they could not find a valid prescription for the medication. The Star Tribune now reports that their source said no prescription for fentanyl has been found in the months since Prince's death. So, a burning question remains. How did Prince acquire the drug?

Fentanyl, the most powerful painkiller on the market, is normally prescribed to cancer patients in extreme pain. It's also used to ease the pain of someone who is dying or as part of anesthesia during surgery.

But illegally manufactured fentanyl pills are readily available across America.

How dangerous is Fentanyl?

Just last month, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) published a reportsaying counterfeit pills are fueling the fentanyl and heroin/opioid crisis in the US, which has become an epidemic. The DEA issued a national health alert over the rise in fentanyl overdoses in 2015. That year, the DEA said its National Forensic Laboratory Information System showed "there were approximately eight times as many fentanyl exhibits (confiscated drugs that tested positive for fentanyl) in 2015 as there were during the 2006 fentanyl crisis, clearly demonstrating the unprecedented threat and expansion of the fentanyl market."

Prince's death at 57 years old shocked the world. For months fans mourned the musical genius by showing up by the hundreds to pay their respects. Many left purple mementos on the fence that surrounds the Paisley Park Compound where Prince died.

He was discovered dead inside of an elevator in the complex.

Dosage would have killed anyone

Officials never revealed the amount of fentanyl that was in Prince's system. But the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that a source says the amount of fentanyl in his system was so high it would have killed anyone, no matter their size.

It has been four months since Prince died and the investigation into his death is still ongoing. The DEA began working the case along side the Carver County Sheriff's office from the very early stages. But no one knows exactly why Prince was taking strong painkillers or how he obtained them."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/health/prince-pills-fentanyl/index.html



The 1st thing that jumps out to me is the "source" of the article is pushing the idea that Prince was not a drug addict but somehow took or was given Fentanyl by accident. Stating that the pills were mislabeled giving him the benefit of the doubt that he took the pills as the Press release said "accidentally". Clearing Prince of the drug addict label which doesn't fit his M.O. (Modus Operandi meaning Mode of Operation: a particular way or method of doing something, especially one that is characteristic or well-established.) I.E many people friends and " fans" don't believe he was a drug addict or took prescription drugs at all.

Also the media has been implying that Prince may have died due to his petite size. Although he joked about being petite, Prince didn't like people going in on him (meticulously teasing him) as being "too" small, because he was not. He was capable of doing anything a much taller person can do including play Basketball.

By stating "the amount of fentanyl in his system was so high it would have killed anyone, no matter their size." This disproves the hypothesis Prince died because he was "little".

Whomever the "source" is, they are being fairly respectfully of how Prince may have wanted to be viewed in life. Not a drug addict, and not too petite.

The accidental drug overdose also lends credit to the theories of being murdered by the system.

If this is a Death Hoax, a Faked Death I have thought that Prince would be the Master mind behind it all.

Thanks MIRvmn

Yeah it's like he just disappeared.

I'm gonna try and do some research and post some evidence about autopsy reports, death certificates, what makes a document legal, press releases etc.

I got a lot of loose facts running through my head.
We all do.
So I'm gonna track down some concrete facts with references.
Gather information.
We all posted some thoughts on those subjects in the old site.
On to the New

See ya in a few

This Autopsy Report Report Press Release isn't a legal document at all.
It's a Press Release.

None of the legal requirements were met for this document to be considered an actual legally binding Autopsy Report. Its just a Press Release informing the press information about an autopsy report.

There is no evidence in this press release that an autopsy was ever performed or an autopsy report was ever filed.

In a couple of days I'm gonna do some research about Autopsy Reports, Press releases and post what I find. Hopefully it's something interesting to discuss.

Take care everyone : )